Ms. Tina Knowles Gets Personal On The Pod!

Miss Tina, this is such a treat.

You look so beautiful today.

Thank you.

I wanna hear all about what you're wearing.

And Keanna was just asking about your nail polish,

which we have a lot of questions for you.

So, my nail polish is red.

I wear this classic red that I've been wearing

for 20, 30 years.

And my kids are always saying,

Mom, can you just try something else?

But I always come back to it. It's just easy.

It's nice that they match all your nails

and your lip color.

I really love that. It's the perfect red.

Thank you.

I'm glad you appreciate my red.

I'm gonna tell my children. Of course, yes.

It's hard to find a good red.

I agree.

I've been doing it a long time. About 40 years.

So got it down to science.

And tell us about this outfit,

and can you describe it for people

who are listening and can't see it?

Well, it's a corseted...

It's Alexander McQueen jacket,

and I just fell in love with it

'cause it has these cups in it, corset cups,

and it's very tailored.

And I love the flare pants.

I love Alexander McQueen. That's my jam.

I mean, you look fabulous.

It's a very sleek black suit,

but with surprising tailoring details,

I would say is how I describe it.

Yeah, it's a great description.

And I like to pair jackets with belts,

so I collects belts.

I collects vintage belts.

And this is a Schiaparelli belt that I got

and I have gotten more wear out of it

because it just kind of dresses everything up.

It really does.

It has an amazing...

It's a black leather belt with an amazing gold buckle

with charms coming off of it.

Yeah, body parts. Body parts.

Oh, are they?

Oh yeah, there's an ear.

Wow. Oh yeah. So you've got a lot of jingle happening.

I love jingle.

I hope that these bracelets...

I bet you they're jingling like jingle bells in here,

but I just like my accessories.

They can make or break a outfit.

Are you a big Schiaparelli fan?

I am a big, huge-

[Keanna] 'Cause you're wearing a ring as well, right?

Yes, this is the ring.

And I have a lot of pieces.

I've been collectsing it, and that's my go-to gift.

Really? Yeah.

So if anybody's listening, they wanna do something.

Call her.

Wait, your go-to gift to receive or to give?

To receive.

Definitely not to give.

Out of my range, but I love receiving them.

And I do splurge every now and then,

like the belt and buy those things.

Where do you buy your Schiaparelli?

At Bergdorf and Neiman's in Los Angeles.

I go looking for accessories

because I like clothes, but I think that a good belt

and good accessories can change something

that's just very plain into something signature.

Absolutely. That's a good shopping tactic.

Yes. I love that.

What else are you...

What's your shopping approach?

Do you shop in person a lot? Do you shop online?

I do both.

I have certain brands that I love

and I love Terry Mugler.

I love everything with a structured shoulder

and great tailoring.

I'm a suit person.

I very rarely wear dresses,

but if I do, it's a fitted nice Dolce & Gabbana

sexy form fitting dress.

Excellent. Where do you shop online if you shop online?

Well, different brands.

Everything from Nadine Merabi,

I don't know if you know that brand.

I love that brand.

Yes. How do you say it?

I think it's Nadine Merabi.

Yeah, Merabi. But I love the jumpsuits.

I'm a jumpsuit person too.

[Speaker] Okay.

And they have these beautiful beaded laced jumpsuits.

And they're moderately priced.

For what you get, it looks so expensive,

all the way to the designer things.

And I have a couple of Schiaparelli suits,

but I shop online.

I look at the collectsions.

I love looking at vogue.com.

We love to hear it. Our favorite thing.

Yeah, and it's how I learn what the trends are

and keep on top of things.

Are there any trends this season

that you're excited about or rejecting?

Oh, you know I'm excited about all this western wear.

Cowboy Carter.

And I'm from Texas, so I've always worn boots

and cowboy hats.

It's so funny, when I first moved to LA,

my then boyfriend would say,

Tina, you kind of overdress a little bit,

'cause I came from New York and so I wore my suits

and I put all my accessories on.

And he's like, This is California.

You kind of lay back and wear some warmer.

And I'm like, never, never.

[Keanna] Exactly. But I would wear cowboy hats

and I would wear my boots

and people just real...

It was such a thing that it was distracting.

People would say, Oh, you got on cowboy boots,

not in such a great way.

So listen, I am in heaven knowing that I'm fashionable

and I got all these boots and cowboy hats.

Well, excuse me, I might just have to say

that you might have been the inspiration

for Cowboy Carter.

Maybe you're the reason it's now in fashion again.

Oh, that's very sweet.

But no, my whole family, we're cowboys,

we're from Texas.

Got to stay true to your roots.

That's right.

And rodeo was a big deal with us, every year.

Did you go? Oh, absolutely.

We never missed the rodeo.

And that was the time that everybody got their new boots

and their new shirts and their new hats.

Mostly hats and boots.

And so we grew up doing...

I grew up going to prison rodeos in Texas,

in Huntsville, Texas.

My dad used to love the prison Rodeo.

I don't even know what that means.

It's like inmates?

You don't?

No, well, they get the prisoners and they go

and they do this rodeo and they go for it.

You talk about bull fighting,

I mean bull popping or horse riding and all of that.

And so we used to go as a kid.

So naturally when my kids were younger,

I took them and we had a ball.

Does it still exist?

Can you still- The rodeo?

I don't know if the prison rodeo still exists

in Huntsville, Texas,

but the rodeo in Houston does.

We just photographed that actually.

[Keanna] Did you?

Great street style.

Images were incredible.

[Speaker] Yeah. Oh my God.

I mean, I went down there for two days and just hung out

and it was very bittersweet

because I'm like, I don't know how

to act without my kids here,

but I wish I could have taken my grandkids.

But it was a fun experience. Have they been?

No, they haven't been.

But their mothers have performed there,

so I wouldn't have ever thought when we were going

every year that one day they'd be performing there.

I've heard so many good things.

I have a few friends from Houston

and they rave endlessly about the rodeo.

So it's on my bucket list.

It's so fun. All the rides and the food.

I went there for two days and I ate so much junk.

I was sick when I left.

You have to do a detox after the rodeo.

And you got to have that stuff,

turkey legs and all of that stuff.

[Keanna] It's great. Fare food.

What's your go-to cowboy hat

and boots before we move on?

My go-to?

Like what brands?

I don't know.

I don't have cowboy boots,

So I'm a novice.

In Texas, Stetson hats, we wore a lot.

And Stetson is real.

They just did a hat for beer and I was like, wow.

They stepped it up,

I mean just with being more creative

because they were kind of conservative.

But I literally love the new cowboy boots that are...

I have the older ones,

but they take a lot to break into.

[Keanna] Yeah, I've heard. So now these cowboy boots,

everybody's making cowboy boots and they're very affordable

and very comfortable and they got a heel on them.

So I'm trying to get that height.

So I like the newer brands of them.

[Speaker] How do you- And I love Steve Madden.

Steve Madden is killing it with the cowboy boots

and they're reasonable and so comfortable.

How do you manage hat hair under a cowboy hat?

Hat hair, you just wear your hair.

You rock it the way.

If you have...

I'm sure if you're wearing your hair really big and natural,

that you probably...

I think that would be fly as I don't know what

with a cowboy had cocked to the side.

You got to know how to put your cowboy hat on

with your attitude.

You got to kind of tilt it to the side.

[Speaker] Wow. There's a whole approach.

Oh, it's definitely an approach.

You know when somebody's a newbie

when they have their cowboy hat straight on,

it's not right.

I'm ashamed to say I wore a cowboy hat one time.

And I'm pretty sure I had it straight on

and I was terrified to take it off

because I was terrified what my hair looked like under.

Yeah, well your hair looks pretty crazy

when you take the hat off.

That's for the movies where they tilt the hat.

No, you keep the hat on once you put it on.

Honestly, this is the best advice

I could ever have received.

And literally, it's so amazing to be here in the presence

of a hair legend.

So obviously you had your salon growing up, Headliners.

I've heard amazing things about it.

And so it's been a couple months since Cecred launch.

How has that been?

Oh my God.

[Keanna] And what has the reaction been?

I'm in heaven because I had the hair salon

and I would've probably been there much longer.

Not probably, I know I would have,

but Destiny's child took off and I had to go

and be a chaperone and protect.

So I earned my keep by doing the hair.

So I gave my salon to one of my stylists.

But I loved nothing better than

to make women feel beautiful.

It's nothing like taking somebody and transforming them

and transforming their hair.

And they walk out of there

feeling like they're on top of the world.

So I have been in the salon,

we have a test salon in our building

and I'm in there five days a week just doing hair

and testing it on different hair types

because we have all these new products coming out

that I'm so excited about.

And so we're always testing

and sometimes I'm in there

for six, seven hours a day doing hair.

So if you look online, you'll see all the videos of me

just in there acting like I'm back at Headliner.

I love that you still enjoy

actually doing people's hair after all these years.

I love it

I love it, and I love transforming it

and educating people on how to take care of their hair.

Can you tell us about the name?

Because I think it's so clever and unique

and I feel like hearing it,

you don't really understand how it's spelled.

Well, we love the word sacred

because what we found is as we were doing this process

for six years,

we kept saying doing your hair is a sacred experience.

I always thought of it as being such a gift to me

to be able to do somebody's hair

because they trust you so much.

They put their trust in you.

They will tell you their life story

because you're touching them.

And so it was a sacred experience.

And then we thought with ce,

ending Bey's name

that we would try it with ce rather than sa.

So it's a kind of clever thing.

It really is.

It's fun.

Were there any other names you were considering?

Yeah, we had a lot of names

because you have to get them cleared,

but that one just kept coming up organically.

So we just said this is God's way

of letting us know this is the name.

Yeah, and so thinking about like the formulas themselves,

how long were they in the making?

Were you using them before Cecred came to be?

Well I was using a lot of things

because in my salon, I was always mixing things up.

And so that's what Beyonce grew up seeing is me

having to mix things.

And what I did is I believed

in very forward technology.

So I would have to buy a product for technology

and then I would mix egg whites, mandarin.

[Speaker] Really? Oh yeah.

We would mix all these things.

And we do hot olive oil treatments.

And so mixing those two things together in one product,

our products have like 13 African oils in

and they have all these rich butters,

but it also has this bioactive fermented keratin

that is just so powerful to strengthen

and fortify the hair.

And of course when you do protein, you have to...

Protein is amazing.

It's what makes your hair strong. It's what it's made of.

But you have to balance it with moisture,

and a lot of people don't know that.

And when I read some of the new people saying,

Oh, protein is bad for your hair.

It breaks it, it dries it,

No, it's because you're not balancing it with moisture.

So we took all the old rituals

that have been passed down years and years

and we put them with modern technology,

and we created a product that works on textured hair.

But if you can conquer textured hair,

because it's the weakest, most fragile hair

because of the curliness in it,

you can conquer it for everyone.

So if a color treated hair, for curly hair,

your hair is curly,

it will build, build and build the hair up

so it feels thicker and it works on everyone.

I really appreciate the Cecred approach

because I think in a lot of ways,

I'm a beauty editor

and you see a lot of these really protein treatments

for strengthening hair and things like that,

but they don't balance it with the moisture.

So I found that when I try them,

my hair feels so dry and brittle.

[Tina] It feels so dry and hard.

You know?

Well, this treatment, this one,

there's a powder and I'm sure if you've used the rice,

so it comes from different cultures,

but Yao women are the most popular

and they grow their hair down on their feet

and they use rice and they soak this rice.

And so I did that process and it was a disaster for me.

I mean what it did to my hair, I was so happy with.

But the process of letting it sit for two days,

everything that went with it, it was a lot.

[Keanna] Oh wow.

And so I just kept trying to think of a way

that we could make it instant.

And there's a Dr. Kellyann did bone broth.

I don't know if you guys are familiar with that,

but bone broth is very healing for the body.

[Keanna] Yes. And it's the same thing.

It would take you two days to make it.

And so I'm just making my bone broth one day

and putting it in hot water and I'm like, this is the key.

If we can hydrolyze the rice powder

and put it in hot water,

it'll be an instant way for people to get that effect.

But when I did it, my hair was so dry and rough

and so I used the silky...

Very silky topical product to slick,

to lay the cuticle down

and so you have to balance it with moisture.

That's the key.

But once you do, your hair is three times stronger

so it doesn't break.

And it builds, it goes into the cuticle, the cortex,

and the medulla is three layers to your hair.

And most products that feel great are the ones

that are not doing a darn thing.

You know what I'm saying? They're sitting on the top.

That's right.

That's like you putting some oil on your face.

It's not penetrating in your pores,

it's just kind of rinsed off or worn off.

It's the same thing with your hair.

Other than this treatment, do you have any other favorite

products that you like to use consistently?

Well, the Reconstructer is the other one.

And that's one that I worked the hardest on.

[Keanna] That's the mask, correct?

That's the mask.

It is amazing.

And again, if you do that,

the best results are to balance it with moisture

'cause they're both super proteinized.

So it's a lot of protein in them.

So I wanna talk a little bit about,

because I'm extremely close with my mother,

but I cannot imagine being business partners with her.

And this is actually not the first brand

that you and Beyonce have done together.

You had House of Dereon,

which was named after your late mother, if I'm correct.

And that started in 2006.

What is it like working together?

How do you guys balance church and state?

It gets tough sometimes

because we're mother and daughter,

but overall we just look at this as such a blessing.

Beyonce grew up in the salon.

She could actually be a hairstylist if she wanted to be,

because she learned so much there.

I opened the hair salon when Solange was born.

And so that would be...

I'm not really good with years.

But it was the...

But you were a young woman and you were a young mom.

I was a young woman.

It was late 90s, right?

Would that have been late 90s?

I think Solange was more my age.

So I feel like late 80s.

She's 37 I think.

[Speaker] Yeah. So that's late 80s.

Okay. Late 80s.

So I opened the salon when Solange was born.

So it was the late 80s.

And Beyonce grew up,

so did Solange, so did Kelly.

So they could all be hairstylists if they wanted to.

But we did see a void

that we wanted to feel.

And we always talked about doing this product.

We finally had the time to do it.

And so we've been working on it for six years.

And it's been a real evolving

process because at first the plans were

to have the basic foundation

just on how to get the hair healthy.

And then she has learned so much in her journey

with hairstyling that she started saying,

Yeah, but you need something to take braids down.

You need...

I mean, we need...

So the products, she sends me stuff every day.

I have this idea to do this.

And so we have our own scientists.

We dealt with manufacturers,

but we have a laboratory in our space

and we also have a test salon.

And we do so much extensive testing

because what we found is even with texture hair,

sometimes we're left out of the equation of testing.

So we've tested this

on every hair type, every ethnicity.

We test so much that our financial people are like,

You guys are really overdoing it,

'cause after we do all the clinical testing

and we do it in different countries,

then we come back and in our test salon,

the staff just dives in

and we test and test and test.

So I'm in there probably five days a week,

like I said, testing products.

And it's just been all consuming,

which has been great.

But as far as us working together, sometimes we disagree.

Sometimes we get a little spiffy with each other.

But overall we are really good friends

and we respect each other so much that it's easy.

And what a joy it is for me to get to have an excuse

to see my daughter every day and talk to her.

So even when she doesn't wanna be bothered,

'cause you know how y'all are with your mother sometimes,

I'll say, yeah, but I have a business question.

So it's an excuse to bug her

and she got an answer, you know?

So it's been great though.

That has to be such a treat, honestly.

I think when I think about Cecred,

I think about how Beyonce recently posted a video of her,

showing off her natural hair using Cecred.

I think in a lot of ways,

it's in response to there being a lot of negative commentary

around like, oh, should she start a brand?

She doesn't even wear her hair.

Why do you think that black women have to kind of show

that they have healthy natural hair?

Why do we get theses?

It's so disappointing

because to me it insinuates that we can't grow hair.

Like why is that such an oddity?

Hair grows out of your head.

It grows out of everybody's head.

If it didn't, we wouldn't...

It's funny because when I had a hair salon,

what I was told all the time is that

black women could not have long hair

because they used relaxers.

And in Texas, you have to have...

Even if you do it a couple times a year,

if you don't wear your hair just completely natural,

you have to put something on it.

And they were like, you can't mix color

because it's gonna break off and hair doesn't grow.

And I'm like, if it didn't grow,

why would I have to give someone a relaxer retouch

in six weeks?

That means it grows

and your hair grows a half an inch a month.

So do the math.

If you did six months of a half an inch,

that's three inches of hair.

[Keanna] That's a lot of growth.

It's a lot of growth.

And if you take care of that hair

and keep it on your head, your hair will be...

Not that long hair is better,

but if you wanna grow it,

you should be able to grow it and you can.

So I was just determined to dispel those myths.

And probably 80% of my clients had longer hair

and they had hair color and they had a relaxer

because I was just determined to find the solutions to it.

And I was very irritated

when people were saying those comments

about she needs to show her own hair

because why would I buy her product

if she can't grow her hair?

But those questions are not asked of other brands.

Think about it. She's held to a higher standard of scrutiny.

And I understand that.

Which is she shot that video in February when we launched

and I kept saying, well, why don't you just put it out

and just shut them up?

And she was like, nope.

First, because we always agreed

that the brand Beyonce is bigger than the brand, right?

So we didn't want her to swallow up the brand.

We wanted influencers

and hairstylists mostly

because I'm a hairstylist,

so I'm down for the cause 100%.

Part of the thing that I wanted to do

with this brand is elevate hairstylists.

Because as a hairstylist,

I knew that we never got the credit

or we never got the shine

that makeup artists do.

And so part of...

I mean, I know I'm getting off the subject,

but that's why we did a scholarship program.

So we give $500,000 to people for beauty school

scholarships and also to start their businesses

because I wanna up the hairstylist.

I think they are...

If you find your hairstylist and that's your people,

you find that they become an artist.

They become your psychologist. They are philosophers.

They are designers. They are amazing people.

And so I just wanted to highlight those hairstylists

because they are...

I mean, I have known some young people that could just...

I mean, they would blow your mind with their intelligence.

And it's not about education, it's just about who they are.

So anyway, that's one thing.

We put the brand out

and we let the hairstylist promote the brand.

And then the idea was for her to come later,

but the comments just irritated her.

So she was like, I don't have to prove anything.

I'm not putting it out.

And I'm like, please put it out.

Please put it out.

And she's like, No, I'm not gonna do it.

So finally we got her to do it

after everybody else put theirs out

'cause if you look on social media,

I'm just overwhelmed at how many videos we have

that people just shoot on their own.

We don't solicit them.

They just are so excited about the product

that they show the steps and how great it's working.

And so they're doing a lot of it for us

and I couldn't be more appreciative of that.

I'm so excited to see all the good [indistinct]

running on social.

Thinking about Cecred,

I think Beyonce's had another incredible moment.

Cowboy Carter,

[Tina] Oh yeah. So talk to us about that.

I hear you heard it before the rest of us.

You're very, very lucky.

What do you think about-

She's her business partner. Exactly.

She has to hear it.

What do you think about her pivot into country music?

Did you guys listen to country growing up?

Like as the kids were growing up and things like that

in the household?

We were influenced by country music,

but just traditional country music.

We heard it and we liked it and we were influenced by it.

But it wasn't like, I'm not gonna sit here and say,

Oh, we were just playing country music every day.

We were playing R&B and so-

What were the favorite songs

playing in your house when the kids were little?

Oh my God.

The Isley Brothers, that's my favorite of all times.

My kids, Smokey Robinson and The Miracles,

just a lot of Motown artists.

And it's funny because Smokey has...

I've become really good friends

with Smokey Robinson and his wife.

Y'all might not even know 'cause y'all so young.

I love Smokey Robinson.

Well good. I'm glad you know him.

But when I was pregnant with Beyonce,

my ex-husband used to sing to my stomach

and he would sing the Smokey Robinson song.

And when Beyonce was born, she was a real cranky baby.

But we would put that song on

and she would just lay there and just be quiet.

And she loved it and we'd play it over and over.

Can you sing us a bar for people who don't know the song?

Oh God, I have no voice but...

♪ Saw you there ♪

♪ Ooh, and the magic seemed to fill the air ♪

Remember that?

[Tina] Yes. You don't know that.

No, I do. I do.

But anyway, I tell Smokey all the time

that he is the reason why we have Beyonce as a singer

because I think that music playing it to my stomach

and then her being born

and her listening to it, he actually planted the seed.

Aw. Wait, I love that.

So don't start any rumors. He didn't plant a seed in me.

He planted a seed in her.

I think on the Western Point though, about music,

but it also showed up and the costumes

that you designed for them

and Destiny's Child and things like that.

Did you guys wear a lot of Western stuff?

Absolutely.

If you go back and look,

and I've been collectsing those things like photos.

I did a lot of fringe and cowboy hats and cowboy boots.

And it was all through the early Destiny's Child's days

Because we were influenced, especially around rodeo time.

I just got this tunnel vision that I'm gonna do a bunch

of fringe and cowboy hats,

and Beyonce has always worn cowboy hats

she was a little girl.

We have pictures of her.

So it's been a part of it. She's been country.

And what's really funny is how people used to...

Being country is a negative sometimes, right?

And so when we would speak,

or when she would speak when she first started off,

they would say, Oh, that girl is so country,

and now she's not country enough obviously.

So what can you do?

What can you do?

What's your favorite song on the new album?

Probably...

I have so many and they change all the time.

But I love Daughter.

I love Daughter, not because she's my daughter,

but because she sings an Italian Aria opera on it.

And Beyonce went to the High School of Performing Arts

and her teacher would always say she should

be an opera singer.

And I was like that wasn't her path,

but she can sing opera.

So for her to be able to put that on a record

and it's such a dramatic song about

killing somebody, it's a drama.

But I just think for her to break out in that sweet aria

after she just murdered somebody is so cool.

It was unexpected.

I know it's very unexpected.

But I love that song. I love Protector for obvious reasons.

And Levii's Jeans, I mean, I could go on and on.

I live with that record

and I'm telling you it is...

I'm not saying it 'cause it's my daughter,

but it's a masterpiece.

It really is.

Which song...

Is it Protector or My Rose

that's your granddaughter, Rumi's lullaby?

Protector.

[Speaker] Aw. That's her lullaby.

She did that years ago too.

So she doesn't talk...

She doesn't talk baby talk anymore,

but she did it 'cause some of these songs

are like three and four years old.

[Tina] Wow. Yeah.

So you've been hearing them-

I've been here a long time.

And, Tina, I am a big fan.

I'm always sort of mortified

by my own mother's social media presence.

But I'm a big fan of your social media presence.

You are?

Yes, she's crazy.

You're much better at it than she is.

I'm crazy too. Don't you see me?

Actually pushing the wrong buttons and liking-

You're pushing good buttons.

You're standing up for your team.

It's so funny because one,

many times I've liked something

that was negative about my own children.

Because if I'm busy

and I'm going through the thing,

I'm like, ooh, there's Beyonce with so and so.

I like that.

And then some then the fans come back and say,

Miss Tina, please erase that

because you're liking some negative posts.

I mean, that's what happens to 70 year olds on social media.

It's true. I'm always screwing up.

I'm doing voice and I'm country.

So my words come out all wrong.

And I might have...

Yesterday I was sending a message

and I was trying to say eyes

'cause I was looking for one of my Schiaparelli necklaces.

And I said, it's got a lot of asses on it.

And the person sent me back

and they were like, Miss Tina, there you go again.

Because that's what the thing heard

because my accent is-

Wait, so you do your Instagram comments,

but voice activated?

Yeah, I just...

Most of the time I just do them like that.

And then I...

Why don't I go back though?

Because I know that it doesn't understand what I'm saying.

And it's got crazy stuff.

And my son-in-law, Jay, will say,

Listen, if you gonna read somebody,

at least spell your words right.

Don't misspell your words, ma.

You can't do that.

And you can't be...

Take your time and go over and spell check your stuff.

And I'm like, I don't have time for that.

People expect it from me and I'm hitting the wrong buttons.

Do your grandkids ever help you?

Blue used to help me.

Every once in a while,

I'll get a call from Blue and she'll say,

Grandma, that's really whack what you just did.

That's really what's called whack.

You should delete that.

Really, you should delete that.

And do you listen?

No, I'm like, girl, I'm on to the next thing.

People know this about me.

So they give me a lot of...

They give me a lot of leadway.

They say there go Miss Tina doing some crazy stuff again.

And all of the comments are like,

There you go again, Miss Tina. Be more careful.

They help me out.

One of the things I love about your social media presence

though is that you are really good about sticking up

for your kids and the grandchildren.

What inspires you to do that on social media?

Well, I'm a protector of my kids

and I just feel like that's my job, you know?

That's my job.

And some things are so unfair

because what's unfair about social media

and what's so terrible about it,

I love it and I love what it can do for people,

but the downside is that someone can just make up something

and say anything they feel like saying and put it on there.

And my kids are always like,

Mama, just ignore that.

But at some point it gets to the point

where I'm just like, I'm sorry.

This is enough. It's enough, you know?

'Cause imagine being a mother

and somebody's lying on your kid.

It's hard to watch.

[Keanna] Of course. Yeah.

And Jules, your grandson,

he is now a model as of a few months ago.

We did a great photo profile on him on vogue.com.

I saw it. It was wonderful.

He was so fabulous.

And I just wanna know what it's like to see another member

of the family sort of entering

a professional arena of public face.

I love it because Jules has always been

a fashion kid, you know?

[Speaker] Really? Yeah.

He's always been obsessed with fashion

and he watches the runway shows

to see the clothes.

But I think he said, I like this,

and I think he's gonna be great at it.

He's really serious about it right now.

And I have to say,

there was this amazing moment at the end

of New York Fashion Week where everyone was...

I was like getting into bed

and suddenly my phone just exploded.

And it was like, everyone's at the Luar show.

Beyonce has arrived.

And I was like, well, guess I'm not going to bed.

Shook the entire week.

It really did.

And so you attended the Luar Show, which was in Bushwick.

It was not in midtown Manhattan.

You made a trek. You, Solange, Beyonce.

Do you often do like a family outing to a fashion show?

No, that was pretty rare.

And it was because it was our baby

and so we all had to be there.

But- Did he ask you guys to go?

Did he know you were all coming?

Oh, we told him we were coming.

We are there to support. Ride or dies.

We're ride or dies.

But it was interesting because Solange was like,

I'm not sitting with y'all.

And we were like, please come and sit with us.

She was like, nope, I'm not gonna do it.

I'm gonna be over in the back somewhere

in the corner in the dark.

Because she's like, it's too much hoopla.

And I knew it would be, but it was worth it.

It was really worth it. I was so proud of him.

What was it like seeing him walk for the first time?

Oh God. We were grinning from ear to ear.

We couldn't stop smiling, and he did really well.

We didn't know because I would...

I would try to get him to,

I say, come on, Jules, demonstrate your walk.

And he's like, No, grandma.

So I didn't know what to expect.

But he walked out there looking like a model.

And then the next week he was shipped off

to Versace show in Milan

and Donatella was so sweet to him.

There were second shows to walk in.

Yeah.

Blue Ivy also performed on stage at Renaissance

which I loved.

I remember when she came on stage,

I was at the New York show at the Jersey one

and literally the crowd erupted in screams.

What was it like seeing her do that?

It was the best.

Every night her dad and me

would get on this platform out there

and we would just be screaming our heads off

with no shame at all.

Just like, Blue, Blue.

And it was great

because it was a great lesson for her too,

because she was only supposed to do it one time

and her mom finally agreed to let her do it

because she'd be in rehearsals

practicing with them every day.

And then they were...

She was gonna do it one time

and she did it that one time.

And you know how the bug hits you.

[Keanna] Literally.

But one of her friends came back

and showed her some negative comments

and it was a great life lesson

because her mom basically said, listen,

if you let this get you down, then they won.

So you should go and work harder

and just work harder and get your skills together

and go out there and blast it.

So it actually worked in Blue's favor

because she was only supposed to do it one time,

but now her mom, that Mama Bear was onto it.

It was like, you go out there and kill it, and she did.

She just grew so much from that experience.

Yeah, if you look at the first one to the last one,

the growth is incredible.

It's incredible. She works hard.

She works hard.

But she's been doing routines

that professional dancers are doing since she was like four.

She's always rehearsed with them.

[Speaker] She's 12 now? Yes. She's 12.

And now she's gonna be in The Lion King.

Yeah. She recorded that about, wow,

maybe a year and a half ago, and she's so good in it.

Oh my God. Amazing.

They were so excited.

I mean I sat with her doing some of the recordings

and she's just a natural.

Oh, I love that.

Another star. I know.

I mean, that seems like not your typical

grandmother-grandchild experience sitting

in on a recording with them.

But what do you typically love to do with your grandkids?

I just love to spend time with them.

I mean, I go over to the house, we swim a lot,

and just sit up and talk.

And Blue, she's older so she's really getting into

her hair and makeup and clothes,

and so I'll go-

[Speaker] Does she use Cecred?

Of course. She uses Cecred.

Her hair is...

All of us, we've been on this journey

with Cecred for three years.

We've been working on the product for six.

But we got really serious about using it three years ago

'cause it got to a point where we really believed in it,

'cause it takes a long time with hair.

Hair is not makeup.

Makeup, you come up with colors

and I'm sure that there's good formulas,

but hair is is really, really hard.

So it takes a long time to really get the product

that you want and even the ingredients.

And then we would present this product

to Beyonce and she would say,

I'm sorry, it doesn't have enough slip.

And we'd be just deflated

because we thought it was so amazing.

She would say, No, you got to take it back again.

And so we kept pushing the launch date out

because she would say, This is not quite there.

It's almost there.

And we'd be like, oh my God, she's getting on our nerves.

But I'm so happy that she was so picky

because we just kept going and making it better.

Any hints on what's to come with Cecred?

And then also with Solange and Beyonce to come.

Well, you have to wait and see on them.

I can't be telling their business.

I'm in trouble all the time anyway.

I just wanna know more about what you guys...

What grandmother Tina is like

'cause I feel like you would be a very cool grandma.

Are there favorite movies you guys watch together?

Are you cooking for them?

We love The Proud Family.

I don't know if you know that,

but it's something that my kids watched

and actually, Solange did the theme song for it.

It's a animated show.

[Keanna] Love The Proud Family.

Yeah.

And so she did that

and Destiny's Child was her backup singers.

She was like 14, and so they rebooted it, redid it,

and I mean we watch that all the time

and we watch all the Disney shows.

We used to watch Jesse,

that one was one of their favorites.

But I think that's in the rerun thing now.

So we watched the other Disney channel shows

but mainly just talking and playing like any grandma.

We like to shop. Blue is now taking ballet.

And so I went to...

I got to go and buy all her ballet clothes

and her first point shoes.

[Speaker] Oh wow. Yeah. So just regular stuff.

Taking them to school.

I love taking them to school and seeing all the little kids.

Those kids are a trip,

and picking them up to see the little kids

and their personality is the best.

You live near them in LA?

Okay, that's very nice.

[Tina] Yes.

Do you have a favorite outfit

that Beyonce wore for Renaissance?

The one with the hands.

[Keanna] Oh I love that.

It is one of mine. Even though they wore that out.

So it was so many,

that Bumblebee McQueen was out of sight.

[Keana] I think that was my favorite.

Yeah, it was one of my favorites.

But every night it was like a fashion show.

It really was.

It was like Replica Handbag Store was in the house.

I'm telling you, it was like she had about 600 outfits.

That's unbelievable.

Because we hired four stylists

and I love to have all the energy of the different stylists.

We even hired Julia, I have to get Julia's last...

I'm the worst with last names, but she's British Vogue.

Oh, Sarr-Jamois. Yes, Sarr-Jamois.

Oh, oh girl. All right.

So yeah, she was amazing.

But it was the energy of having all the stylists,

it was a beautiful experience.

Me loving fashion the way I do, it was so fun.

Lots of fun.

Oh, I love that.

And I mean, we were chatting

before this about how fun the name Cecred is and how clever.

But I also didn't know until preparing

for this interview about the story

of why you named Beyonce, Beyonce.

Can you just tell us a little bit about that?

Sure.

Well, Beyonce is my last name, my maiden name.

And when I was gonna have a baby, we have very few boys,

and so I was like, oh god,

this name is gonna become extinct.

And the the thing about it is, when I was a little kid,

my name was Celestine Beyonce.

And during the time that I was a kid, I was born in 1954,

I wanted my name to be Linda Smith, Judy Green,

you know those really cute little names.

And it was Celestine Beyonce, so nobody could pronounce it.

The nuns used to call me Celestine,

which is not the way my mom gave.

So the name thing was excruciating for me.

I didn't like my first name nor my last name.

And then when I got to be older,

I remember working at this store

and they called everybody by their last name

and they would say Beyonce and I would cringe.

And then it started growing on me

and people would say that's a pretty name.

And I was like, really?

So then it grew on me and I loved it.

I never have really embraced Celestine,

but Beyonce I have.

And the interesting thing is that if you look

at the spellings,

our name started off as B-O-Y-A-N-C-E.

So it's Boyance.

And it got Americanized when my parents got to Texas

because my mom says she wanted it to rhyme with fiance

so that people could say it

'cause they were calling them all kind of crazy things.

So she changed the spelling.

And then when she had kids, our birth certificates,

my brothers, all of us have different spellings.

[Speaker] Oh my God.

So I'm the only one,

me and my brother who passed away a couple years ago,

we are the only B-E-Y-O-N-C-E,

and then my other brother's a B-E-Y-I-N-C-E.

And it's funny 'cause I asked my mom why.

I was like why would you let somebody misspell

your children's names like that?

'Cause we were kind of pissed

because the schools, we were in the same school,

but they didn't even know we were brothers and sisters.

And I don't think you guys knew that the B-E-Y-I-N-C-E,

because I have a niece named Angie Beyonce.

Do you know of Angie?

[Speaker] No. Not really, no.

No?

Well she was with the group for years,

but her name is B-E-Y-I-N-C-E.

And they used to say, oh, she copied off of their name

or that's a different name.

It's the same name. It's just spelled differently.

[Keanna] Wow. So it's really weird.

So for me to claim it

is really good,

even though it's not the original spelling, but-

[Speaker] Did you add an accent or accent?

[Speaker] No, it's an accent on it. Okay.

Yeah. It was always an accent on it.

But the rest of it was always spelled differently.

What about Solange? Where did that come from?

Solange came from I went to Paris

when I was about 32.

Well, when I got pregnant with her.

I bought a baby name book

in Paris for my girlfriend

and she was gonna have a baby.

And then the next year, I wound up having a baby.

So I pulled that old book out, but-

And it was all French baby names?

Yes, it was French. I got it in Paris.

And so that's where I got Solange from.

But actually Solange was conceived

on the Nile in Egypt.

And I thought I was having a boy

and I wanted to name a Nile.

But little did I know here came this girl.

And so yeah, so that's where I got her name.

Wow. I love how intentional you are with all the names.

Oh yeah. Names are important.

Names are really important

because it's kind of what you take on to me.

So if you name your child king,

I feel like they'll be a king

'cause you're speaking it into existence.

So names are very important.

So when you name your child, I don't know, something crazy,

you got to be very intel...

I mean it's just my belief that

if you name your child loser, guess what?

They have no other fate.

They have no other.

We know how that's gonna turn out.

Tina, we're gonna ask you a few rapid fire questions

and then we're gonna let you go.

But well, Keanna, you can start

since this is your wheelhouse.

Fabulous. My favorite topic. You have beautiful skin.

What is your top secret?

[Speaker] My top beauty secret? Beauty secret.

Vampire facials.

Ooh. The PRP?

Love that stuff.

Oh my gosh. I have not had it,

but I've heard-

[Speaker] I don't know what it is.

Try it. You will love it.

They draw your blood and they spin it.

And then they put it in this little vow

with all this good stuff like collagen

and probably in my case, a little Botox.

And then they do the microneedling.

Oh wow, they put it back in?

And I'm telling you...

Yeah.

And it has tightened up the circles under my eyes

and shout out to Dr. K.

She does it for me. But yeah, it's amazing.

That's not rapid fire. I'm sorry.

No, that's an amazing answer.

Wait, so what is...

Let's think about products, your skincare, and makeup.

What's your routine like?

Well, I've just started using vitamin C

and hyaluronic acid because I did not know that

after a certain age you should use it.

So I just found that out

and I've been using that and I love it.

I've used Natura Bisse.

I've used LA Prairie.

And right now I'm using this product by

this doctor, Dr. K.

And it is a moisturizer stem cell type thing.

The older you get, I'm 70. I'm trying way harder.

It gets harder every day.

Okay. So let's say you could rewind time.

What's one secret you wish you could tell your younger self?

[Tina] Ooh.

Or what do you tell your daughters?

Well, exfoliate.

Exfoliate and stay out of the sun

without a sunscreen.

You got to put a sunscreen on.

I abused the sun when I was younger,

because we didn't know anything about that.

So we put baby oil on

and went baked ourselves out there in the sun.

And so if I had it to do all over again,

I would look way younger if I didn't abuse

the sun when I was younger.

And I put some really good sunscreen on.

So use a sunscreen. It's not a joke.

Do you wear sunscreen every day?

Yes. Amazing.

I just started though.

[Speaker] Oh really? Wow.

Yeah, I just started maybe three years ago

'cause I felt like it interfered with my makeup.

But now it's good stuff. Right.

There's so many good options now.

What's your sunblock choice

That it comes from?

That same lady. I just have her whole...

Before that, I was using the La Prairie.

Okay, and I wanna know which Beyonce

or Solange song you would play at a dinner party

to get everyone together?

Dancing?

That's a tough one

'cause it changes from time to time

depending on who has the rec...

who has the record out at the time.

[Speaker] Okay.

So I wouldn't be able to answer that.

All right. Yeah.

What do you enjoy cooking?

Oh God. I love soul food.

I love to cook like cabbage and cornbread and macaroni

and cheese and I'm getting hungry talking about it.

My candy cams are stellar.

I love gumbo.

I mean a good gumbo maker.

I really am.

[Keanna] True Louisiana girl.

Yeah, true Louisiana gumbo.

That's the best.

What's your grandkid's favorite thing that you make?

Blue loves blue And Rumi love the gumbo.

It's a little spicy for them, but they like it.

Fantastic.

Well, as Tina, this is such a treat for us,

so, so happy to have you here.

This was so much fun. Yes.

And I think we're good to go.

All right. Thank you.